24 jun 2008 22:43
Bertroex schreef:RS motor was balanced, blueprinted and gasflowed, net zoals de 3.2 carrera Clubsport.
Veel engelse RS-en hebben een MOTEC upgrade om met de 3.6 naar 300 pk te komen.
Hot Film, AMD chip, katalysator bypass, remap, G-pipe en grotere throttle bodies en je komt op ongeveer 305 pk. Doe een google search voor AMD en ook Wayne Schofield in de US doet magic voor de 964.I'm selling a MOTEC M600 off of my 964 RS Clubsport already mapped, initially with a Bob watson map then subsequently re-tweeked by Richard butler (TrackActive) formerly of WRC Suburu works team to 315 BHP (I've got the Dyno read outs) my car was running a Standard engine and Injectors (Upgrade to Bosch 803 Injectors and I guesstimate we would have run 320-325BHP)
The "mapping" van die chip is cruciaal, en het gebeurd best met een rolling road dat op DIN 70002 status is gecalibreerd (doe ook voor- en na- metingen op dezelfde RR) en door iemand die een bespoke programming kan doen voor je individuele motor.
En dan hebben we nog niet gesproken van de ophanging, de remmen, lichtgewicht componenten enz enz.
HTH,
Bert
24 jun 2008 23:19
25 jun 2008 2:59
MichM3 schreef:Bertroex schreef:Conclusie: er wordt zwaar "getrokken" aan die cijfers hoor
ik kan iet anders dan concluderen dat er veel oplichterij tussen zit.
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25 jun 2008 23:16
Tweedens zijn deze wagens vaak gereden door Porschisten waarbij het "my wallet is bigger then yours" fenomeen ook belangrijk is.
26 jun 2008 21:17
MichM3 schreef:Om u een idee te geven, m'n motor draait momenteel ietsje te arm en heb 290pk en 348NM...
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V-8 schreef:Kortom, ik kan je opmerking niet echt plaatsen en ben bovendien geen voorstander van generaliserende opmerkingen.
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MichM3 schreef:het is een zwarte met oranje wielen..
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10 jul 2008 17:22
Ok, here you have it. This is a comparison of an average stock 964 vs the 9M USA kit installed and tuned for USA 93 octane fuel. When I say stock, I mean cat, both mufflers, stock chip, in good running and well maintained condition just like it came from the factory. It is representative of an average stock car and is within 3hp of the best stock one we've tested. The 9M car has the following:
MoTeC ECU
Fabspeed Headers with heat
Fabspeed dual outlet exhaust (I'd rather have a single, but they don't make it)
964 heads rebuilt, ported with 993RS valves
New design 9M USA cams, built in the USA
9M induction pipe and K&N Muffler
993 Throttlebody
The MoTeC car starts with the twist of a key, idles at 1100rpm cold, 900rpm warm and uses the idle control valve. The car is equipped with a LWF and has no stalling issues. There were no wires cut in the conversion and the alarm system will deactivate the ECU, just like a factory car.
The test conditions were:
300rpm/sec ramp rate through the pull (about 18 seconds on the 9M run)
Stock engine was tested with the dyno cell at 75F degrees
Stock engine was tested with the dyno cell at 30.065InHg
9M engine was tested with the dyno cell at 93F degrees
9M engine was tested with the dyno cell at 29.816InHg
SAE correction to a standard day on both cars
Both were tested with the cylinder head temp at 120c (via MoTeC and Porsche System Tester)
The blue lines are Torque at the rear wheels
The green lines are HP at the rear wheels
The solid lines are from the 9M engine
The dotted lines are from the sock engine
The torque line does not cross the HP line at 5252 because the scales are different. The left scale is torque and the right scale is HP.
Because of Previous Rennlist Posts:
The numbers in the dyno charts are RWHP and I will not make any effort to convert from RWHP to FWHP, nor will I make any effort to compare these numbers to some other dyno test run at some other place on some other day, even if it was tested on a Dynapack dyno. I also don't care if you think the numbers are too high, too low, or wrong. This chart is for comparison only against a completely stock 964.
While I have tested a number of 964s in various states of tune, all with the same testing methodology, I'm not going to compare the 9M conversion to anything but a stock car. If you personally have a modified 964 and think it is better than stock, go have it tested against your friends stock 964 and post the results. I don't care about every combination of air filter, muffler bypass, RS, non RS, chipped car out there. I have enough data on my own to compare against.
I am not going to address any issues of running without knock sensors as this car was tuned for 93 octane fuel and that is the minimum fuel that this car requires. It has built in protection for high air temp and cylinder head temp to prevent it from ever knocking. The kit can be tuned for any fuel including 87 octane if one desired.
If you think Motronic ECUs are better, good, I'm happy for you, go find yourself your own thread and talk about your success there. I'm not going to compare and contrast another engine builder/tuner's approach as there are many different approches for increasing power and the 9M USA kit is only one of them. This is the only one I'm going to discuss.
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Jasje Dasje schreef:Vind het best wel interessant, ook de discussie tussen de forumleden die volgt erg interessant. Ben erg geinteresseerd naar meningen hier over gevonden resultaten, haalbaarhied, budget, etc.
Erwin?Olaf?maarten?en iedereen die ik hier vergeet...
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