Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 13:56
in mijn omgeving merk ik niet dat er sprake is van 'crisis'
Ik wel. 5000 man eruit. Komende week krijg ik te horen of ik mag blijven.
Wordt een leuk weekend.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:01
Sterkte Delnoy en dat tijdens de vakantie 
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:02
Dat vind ik dan wel weer leuk commentaar 
Thx
Thx
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:05
ChrisGT schreef:ik heb tot nu toe weinig gemerkt van die financiele crisis, beetje broodje aap verhaal naar mijn idee.
Je komt niet echt snugger over
Dat je er niets van merkt wilt nog niet zeggen dat het er niet is....Werk je soms voor de fiscus? Of ben je deurwaarder, mensenhandelaar, drugsdealer???
Schei toch uit met jouw flauwekul. Iedereen heeft last vd crisis. En je hoeft geen psycholoog te zijn: diegenen die het ontkennen hebben 't juist het zwaarst.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:08
VM020 schreef:Sterkte Delnoy en dat tijdens de vakantie
+1, deze keer ben ik zowaar met onze roodharige vriend eens
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:09
Meer slecht economisch nieuws uit China:
China Purchasing Managers' Index Drops to Seven Month Low
Bad news for China’s economy. The key purchasing managers’ index, or PMI, dropped to a seven month low of 50.2 in June, according to the National Bureau of Statistics. It hasn’t been this low since November 2011. With exports down, one analyst predicts that Beijing will relax monetary policies, perhaps this month.
Reuters quoted government researcher Zhang Liqun as saying, “New orders and input prices are still falling, which shows there are still many factors affecting production. A recovery in industrial output would take some time.”
China’s economy could continue to decline in the third quarter, sidelining Beijing’s growth target of 7.5 percent for the year.
The lower PMI also implies that foreign demand for Chinese products is down.
Reuters reports that Trade Minister Chen Deming believes China will be, “lucky” to hit a growth of imports and exports of 10 percent for the year.
China Purchasing Managers' Index Drops to Seven Month Low
Bad news for China’s economy. The key purchasing managers’ index, or PMI, dropped to a seven month low of 50.2 in June, according to the National Bureau of Statistics. It hasn’t been this low since November 2011. With exports down, one analyst predicts that Beijing will relax monetary policies, perhaps this month.
Reuters quoted government researcher Zhang Liqun as saying, “New orders and input prices are still falling, which shows there are still many factors affecting production. A recovery in industrial output would take some time.”
China’s economy could continue to decline in the third quarter, sidelining Beijing’s growth target of 7.5 percent for the year.
The lower PMI also implies that foreign demand for Chinese products is down.
Reuters reports that Trade Minister Chen Deming believes China will be, “lucky” to hit a growth of imports and exports of 10 percent for the year.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:14
Gaat lekker daar in het Verre Oosten 
China cancels bond issue after rate cuts
BEIJING, July 6 (Xinhua) -- China's Ministry of Finance announced on Friday the cancellation of a bond issue worth up to 40 billion yuan (6.30 billion U.S. dollars), following surprise rate cuts amid the economic downturn.
The ministry said it had decided not to release two batches of electronic savings bonds -- the seventh and eighth of their kind this year -- which were scheduled to be issued from July 10, because the People's Bank of China (PBOC) cut benchmark interest rates from Friday.
"The issuance will be canceled or suspended if interest rate adjustments occur before the issuance," the ministry had said when announcing the bond issue on July 2.
The PBOC, the country's central bank, announced late on Thursday that it will reduce the benchmark interest rate for one-year deposits by 25 basis points and that of one-year lending by 31 basis points on Friday.
The move came less than a month after the previous rate cuts announced on June 7, when the benchmark rates were slashed by 25 basis points in their first cuts since December 2008.
China cancels bond issue after rate cuts
BEIJING, July 6 (Xinhua) -- China's Ministry of Finance announced on Friday the cancellation of a bond issue worth up to 40 billion yuan (6.30 billion U.S. dollars), following surprise rate cuts amid the economic downturn.
The ministry said it had decided not to release two batches of electronic savings bonds -- the seventh and eighth of their kind this year -- which were scheduled to be issued from July 10, because the People's Bank of China (PBOC) cut benchmark interest rates from Friday.
"The issuance will be canceled or suspended if interest rate adjustments occur before the issuance," the ministry had said when announcing the bond issue on July 2.
The PBOC, the country's central bank, announced late on Thursday that it will reduce the benchmark interest rate for one-year deposits by 25 basis points and that of one-year lending by 31 basis points on Friday.
The move came less than a month after the previous rate cuts announced on June 7, when the benchmark rates were slashed by 25 basis points in their first cuts since December 2008.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:20
What bad data news does China have in store?
Mark my words: China gaat binnenkort crashen. Ben al China flink aan het shorten.
MarketWatch By MarketWatch
China’s surprise Thursday interest-rate cut, the second in less than a month, has market commentators chattering about what sort of bad surprise next week’s data have in store.
The assumption is that the People’s Bank of China knows the numbers will be bad and wants to preempt negative reaction with some monetary stimulus.
After all, China’s June 7 rate cut came just days before data showed a relatively weak economy for May, with industrial output rising less than forecast among other disappointments. Read more on China’s May data release.
If this rate cut proves a replay of last month, it begs the question: How bad will things be?
The Chinese government is due to release inflation numbers Monday, followed by trade data Tuesday. But the main event comes Friday, when markets will get a look at second-quarter economic growth, along with June retail sales, fixed-asset investment and industrial output.
The likely suspect in terms of data that would justify a second rate cut is economic growth.
A Reuters survey is tipping gross domestic product to have risen 7.6% from a year earlier, while other forecasts call for 7.5%.
But a Chinese government economist told the Shanghai Securities Journal on Friday that GDP growth could come in below 7.5%, particularly if industrial-production growth matches its May level of 9.6%. Read more on economist’s China GDP forecast.
A GDP print below 7.5% would likely set off alarm bells, and given the drops in Hong Kong and Shanghai stock indexes as of late Friday afternoon, the rate cut may offer little in terms of protecting the markets from ugly data.
Mark my words: China gaat binnenkort crashen. Ben al China flink aan het shorten.
MarketWatch By MarketWatch
China’s surprise Thursday interest-rate cut, the second in less than a month, has market commentators chattering about what sort of bad surprise next week’s data have in store.
The assumption is that the People’s Bank of China knows the numbers will be bad and wants to preempt negative reaction with some monetary stimulus.
After all, China’s June 7 rate cut came just days before data showed a relatively weak economy for May, with industrial output rising less than forecast among other disappointments. Read more on China’s May data release.
If this rate cut proves a replay of last month, it begs the question: How bad will things be?
The Chinese government is due to release inflation numbers Monday, followed by trade data Tuesday. But the main event comes Friday, when markets will get a look at second-quarter economic growth, along with June retail sales, fixed-asset investment and industrial output.
The likely suspect in terms of data that would justify a second rate cut is economic growth.
A Reuters survey is tipping gross domestic product to have risen 7.6% from a year earlier, while other forecasts call for 7.5%.
But a Chinese government economist told the Shanghai Securities Journal on Friday that GDP growth could come in below 7.5%, particularly if industrial-production growth matches its May level of 9.6%. Read more on economist’s China GDP forecast.
A GDP print below 7.5% would likely set off alarm bells, and given the drops in Hong Kong and Shanghai stock indexes as of late Friday afternoon, the rate cut may offer little in terms of protecting the markets from ugly data.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:20
@Delnoy: sterkte
@VM020: ga je nog inhoudelijk reageren of blijf je berichten dumpen? En hoe short jij als particulier China eigenlijk?
@VM020: ga je nog inhoudelijk reageren of blijf je berichten dumpen? En hoe short jij als particulier China eigenlijk?
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:21
VM020 schreef:Sterkte Delnoy en dat tijdens de vakantie
en dat is vijftig! zowaar de 50ste post voor VM020, hulde voor de inhoud daarvan!
Delnoy, ik duim voor je
oh enne VM020
Kappen met die grote letters
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 14:28
Delnoy schreef:in mijn omgeving merk ik niet dat er sprake is van 'crisis'
Ik wel. 5000 man eruit. Komende week krijg ik te horen of ik mag blijven.
Wordt een leuk weekend.
Sterkte, maar wellicht ook een goede reden om iets nieuws/anders te gaan doen
VM020 schreef:ChrisGT schreef:ik heb tot nu toe weinig gemerkt van die financiele crisis, beetje broodje aap verhaal naar mijn idee.
Je komt niet echt snugger over
Werk je soms voor de fiscus? Of ben je deurwaarder, mensenhandelaar, drugsdealer???
Schei toch uit met jouw flauwekul. Iedereen heeft last vd crisis. En je hoeft geen psycholoog te zijn: diegenen die het ontkennen hebben 't juist het zwaarst.
Er is ook zeker wel wat aan de hand, maar iedereen had dit kunnen voorzien. Of denk jij serieus dat de economische welvaart oneindig door kan zetten?
Bovendien, hebben we allemaal een beetje boter op ons hoofd, als we een 42" lcd tv moeten kopen omdat een 47" te duur is doen we al
En vervolgens krijg je dan ook nog dit soort berichten:
"Apple heeft met een de verkoop van 11,8 miljoen verkochte iPads en 35,1 miljoen verkochte iPhones in de eerste drie maanden van dit jaar een winst geboekt van 11,6 miljard dollar. Dat is een stijging van 94 procent ten opzicht van vorig jaar."
Daarnaast is onze 'crisis' niets vergeleken met de dagelijkse ellende die vb. mensen in Haïtie of Syrië over hun heen krijgen, maar dat is een andere discussie.
Ps: ik zou geen bordje psycholoog naast de deur hangen, want dat gaat je niet veel opleveren
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 15:07
Delnoy schreef:in mijn omgeving merk ik niet dat er sprake is van 'crisis'
Ik wel. 5000 man eruit. Komende week krijg ik te horen of ik mag blijven.
Wordt een leuk weekend.
dat is niet leuk.
welk bedrijf werk je voor?
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 15:11
KPN. 
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 15:19
Ai nog meer krimpen.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 16:22
Het ergste moet nog komen.
China at brink of Bankruptcy. China economic data false:
http://youtu.be/oRf1hufJ9GY
On October 22, Lang Xianping, an economics professor
at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, gave a private talk in Shenyang City in Liaoning Province.
He cited statistics showing why the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)
is trapped in an economic crisis and is at brink of bankruptcy.
Some scholars say that Lang's conclusion is not surprising at all,
for they themselves hold the same the view.
Lang Xianping's speech, which was widely circulated online,
pointed out that
the CCP's official published growth rate of 9.1% and
its inflation rate of 6.2%, are false.
Instead he says, China as a nation, is bankrupt.
Lang Xianping: "The 9.1% figure is false.The inflation rate of
6.2% is also false. Inflation has reached at least 16%!
Do you know how to calculate the gross domestic product
(GDP) figure? Nine minus six.
The actual growth rate, according to the CCP's data,
should be less than 3%.
What if the inflation rate was 16%?
What's the GDP growth rate? Minus seven percent. The situation is this serious."
Professor Lang said that all of the CCP's current policies are
covering up the deep, murky reality of China's economy.
He cited the Purchasing Managers Index to explain that
back to early July, China's economy entered a recession.
Lang Xianping: "The Purchasing Managers Index,
which was just released, showed a reading above 50.
This indicates normal economic growth, while below 50
means the country is entering into a recession.
Now among China, the U.S., and Europe, let me tell you,
the first country that has gone into recession is China.
It started in July. But has anyone reported the news?
No. Why? No one is allowed to report it."
Now, China's stock market fell from 3,000 points in April,
to 2,313 points in October.
But other markets such as property, cars, luxury goods,
antiques, and art, among others, are really booming.
The co-existence of such a bleak winter and boiling summer
can only take place in China.
The basic reason is that China's manufacturing Industry crisis
has just begun.
Lang Xianping: "Field research conducted by
The Economic Observer, a weekly Chinese newspaper,
shows that the production rate of the apparel industry
in Jiangsu Prov. and Zhejiang Prov., is less than 33%.
The plastic industry is 50%, the rubber industry is 60%,
the soybeans extraction industry is less than 30%.
My own survey shows that at present,
60% of all Leather-processing plants have shut down in Haining, China."
Professor Lang also cited that although the total capacity of
China's power plants is 916 million kilowatts, the utilization rate is only 40%.
By June 20, the volume of iron ore piled up in China's
various ports has reached 98.9 million tons,
far more than the 7,098 tons imported
during the period of financial crisis of last few years.
This data shows that in reality, in China,
an economic depression has begun.
Lang pointed out that 70% of China's GDP came from
infrastructure construction, which, in reality, has not brought any economic benefits to the country.
For example, before the former Soviet Union collapsed,
70% of its GDP relied on military engineering projects.
The current situation in China is very similar to that of
former Soviet Union, at that time.
Once China's manufacturing industry pillar collapses,
the country's seemingly impressive infrastructure construction, won't last longer.
China at brink of Bankruptcy. China economic data false:
http://youtu.be/oRf1hufJ9GY
On October 22, Lang Xianping, an economics professor
at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, gave a private talk in Shenyang City in Liaoning Province.
He cited statistics showing why the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)
is trapped in an economic crisis and is at brink of bankruptcy.
Some scholars say that Lang's conclusion is not surprising at all,
for they themselves hold the same the view.
Lang Xianping's speech, which was widely circulated online,
pointed out that
the CCP's official published growth rate of 9.1% and
its inflation rate of 6.2%, are false.
Instead he says, China as a nation, is bankrupt.
Lang Xianping: "The 9.1% figure is false.The inflation rate of
6.2% is also false. Inflation has reached at least 16%!
Do you know how to calculate the gross domestic product
(GDP) figure? Nine minus six.
The actual growth rate, according to the CCP's data,
should be less than 3%.
What if the inflation rate was 16%?
What's the GDP growth rate? Minus seven percent. The situation is this serious."
Professor Lang said that all of the CCP's current policies are
covering up the deep, murky reality of China's economy.
He cited the Purchasing Managers Index to explain that
back to early July, China's economy entered a recession.
Lang Xianping: "The Purchasing Managers Index,
which was just released, showed a reading above 50.
This indicates normal economic growth, while below 50
means the country is entering into a recession.
Now among China, the U.S., and Europe, let me tell you,
the first country that has gone into recession is China.
It started in July. But has anyone reported the news?
No. Why? No one is allowed to report it."
Now, China's stock market fell from 3,000 points in April,
to 2,313 points in October.
But other markets such as property, cars, luxury goods,
antiques, and art, among others, are really booming.
The co-existence of such a bleak winter and boiling summer
can only take place in China.
The basic reason is that China's manufacturing Industry crisis
has just begun.
Lang Xianping: "Field research conducted by
The Economic Observer, a weekly Chinese newspaper,
shows that the production rate of the apparel industry
in Jiangsu Prov. and Zhejiang Prov., is less than 33%.
The plastic industry is 50%, the rubber industry is 60%,
the soybeans extraction industry is less than 30%.
My own survey shows that at present,
60% of all Leather-processing plants have shut down in Haining, China."
Professor Lang also cited that although the total capacity of
China's power plants is 916 million kilowatts, the utilization rate is only 40%.
By June 20, the volume of iron ore piled up in China's
various ports has reached 98.9 million tons,
far more than the 7,098 tons imported
during the period of financial crisis of last few years.
This data shows that in reality, in China,
an economic depression has begun.
Lang pointed out that 70% of China's GDP came from
infrastructure construction, which, in reality, has not brought any economic benefits to the country.
For example, before the former Soviet Union collapsed,
70% of its GDP relied on military engineering projects.
The current situation in China is very similar to that of
former Soviet Union, at that time.
Once China's manufacturing industry pillar collapses,
the country's seemingly impressive infrastructure construction, won't last longer.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 16:26
Biertje, mannen? Het is vrijdag!
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 17:10
Op vrijdag drink ik liever een goede fles wijn en op de andere dagen van de week ook.
Maar de gedachte is goed
Maar de gedachte is goed
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 19:09
Whiskey 
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 21:39
Ik drink geen whiskey normailter maar na het lezen van zoveel rampspoed doe er ook maar eentje en delnoy sterkte.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 22:19
Zal wel goed komen en zo niet dan heb ik lekker lang vakantie en kan ik fris uitgerust aan een nieuwe leuke uitdaging beginnen
Wat mij betreft mag hij weer on topic voor zover dat lukt.
Wat mij betreft mag hij weer on topic voor zover dat lukt.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
06 jul 2012 22:50
Gelukkig gaat het niet overal slecht. Mijn bedrijf (>30.000 werknemers) heeft nog nooit zo'n grote backlog (werkvoorraad) gehad, alleen de locatie van het werk is verschoven richting Rusland en het verre oosten en naar Off-shore. In de On-shore zijn we toch veel aarzeling om te investeren. Verder denk ik dat eens een keer een beetje minder helemaal niet zo slecht is, maar dat is voor heel veel consumenten wel wennen natuurlijk. Als je ook nog je baan verliest is dat extra vervelend natuurlijk. Verder worden we natuurlijk bijna in real-time gek gemaakt met wat er allemaal aan de hand is. Verder is de economie van China al jaren oververhit en mag het daar best wat minder hard gaan met de groei.
Oh ja en kopieren kan ik ook: (NU.nl):
WASHINGTON - De groei van de Chinese economie komt dit en volgend jaar lager uit dan in het voorgaande decennium. Dat voorspelt de Wereldbank in een donderdag gepubliceerd rapport.
De bank verwacht dat de Chinese economie dit jaar met 8,2 procent groeit en volgend jaar met 8,6 procent vooruitgaat. In de afgelopen 10 jaar boekte China jaarlijks een economische groei van minstens 9 procent, met uitschieters tot 15 procent.
''Het risico op oververhitting van de Chinese economie zwakt af, waardoor de vooruitzichten voor een zachte landing toenemen'', stelde Wereldbankeconoom Ardo Hansson in een toelichting.
China heeft last van de economische problemen in grote delen van de rest van de wereld. Daardoor neemt de internationale vraag naar Chinese producten af. De Wereldbank verwacht daarnaast een flinke daling van de investeringen in China en een lichte afname van de consumptie.
Om de groei op de langere termijn te waarborgen, moet China de eigen economie versterken, denkt de Wereldbank. Daarbij moet de aandacht van de regering verschuiven van het tempo waarin de economie groeit naar de verdeling van die groei.
Oh ja en kopieren kan ik ook: (NU.nl):
WASHINGTON - De groei van de Chinese economie komt dit en volgend jaar lager uit dan in het voorgaande decennium. Dat voorspelt de Wereldbank in een donderdag gepubliceerd rapport.
De bank verwacht dat de Chinese economie dit jaar met 8,2 procent groeit en volgend jaar met 8,6 procent vooruitgaat. In de afgelopen 10 jaar boekte China jaarlijks een economische groei van minstens 9 procent, met uitschieters tot 15 procent.
''Het risico op oververhitting van de Chinese economie zwakt af, waardoor de vooruitzichten voor een zachte landing toenemen'', stelde Wereldbankeconoom Ardo Hansson in een toelichting.
China heeft last van de economische problemen in grote delen van de rest van de wereld. Daardoor neemt de internationale vraag naar Chinese producten af. De Wereldbank verwacht daarnaast een flinke daling van de investeringen in China en een lichte afname van de consumptie.
Om de groei op de langere termijn te waarborgen, moet China de eigen economie versterken, denkt de Wereldbank. Daarbij moet de aandacht van de regering verschuiven van het tempo waarin de economie groeit naar de verdeling van die groei.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
07 jul 2012 8:54
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
07 jul 2012 10:41
had je voorkennis? Of alleen een vooruitziende blik? 
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
07 jul 2012 12:12
Delnoy sterkte man, wat de uitslag ook moge weze.
Re: Feest!!! 5 jaar financiele crisis.
09 jul 2012 22:26
Ik zie dat het azijnpissen voor sommigen nog steeds een vermakelijke bezigheid is.
Van VM020 zie ik graag eens een onderbouwing (met feiten graag) hoe hij komt aan 30% lucht in NL vastgoedprijzen.
Van VM020 zie ik graag eens een onderbouwing (met feiten graag) hoe hij komt aan 30% lucht in NL vastgoedprijzen.